"jovimon7" (jovimon7)
10/24/2014 at 15:15 • Filed to: None
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"jovimon7" (jovimon7)
10/24/2014 at 15:15 • Filed to: None | 1
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From Business Insider.
Morgan Stanley lead auto analyst Adam Jonas has gone a step further and declared that Tesla is the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! .
So a lively moment was generated on Friday when, after !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , CEO Mark Fields fielded questions from Wall Street. Jonas suggested that Ford had probably obtained a Tesla Model S sedan and ... investigated its secrets.
Fields was quick to affirm Jonas' suspicions.
"We have driven the Model S, torn it down, put it back together, and driven it again," said Fields, who moved into the big chair at Ford in July. "We're very familiar with that product."
Read more: !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!
Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif
> jovimon7
10/24/2014 at 15:17 |
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I'm sure this happens a lot behind closed doors but since Tesla opened its patents they don't really need to hide it.
Tohru
> jovimon7
10/24/2014 at 15:19 |
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"When we put it back together none of the panel gaps would line up right. We blame the boys in the design department for that, they tried to add a little Ford to it."
LappingLuke
> jovimon7
10/24/2014 at 15:20 |
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Not surprising...this is common benchmarking practice for manufacturers. Buy a competitive product, learn absolutely everything about it by taking it apart and using the shit out of it and use what you gleaned to make yours even better. I'm sure Ford isn't the only one who has done it. Any company with any interesting in building an electric car has probably done it.
macanamera
> jovimon7
10/24/2014 at 15:24 |
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Dear Ford,
Have all our patents.
-Elon "Money" Musk
Rock Bottom
> jovimon7
10/24/2014 at 15:25 |
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Many people would be surprised to learn that all the major car companies buy cars from other manufacturers and tear them apart, down to the last nut, bolt, electrical connector, and zip tie. It's a big part of the bench-marking process.
What makes me super happy is that Ford has acknowledged that Tesla is worth a long, hard look. If Ford did this, I expect GM and several others also have. Maybe some of the nifty features in the Model S will start finding their ways into more cars across the board, or at least inspire similar innovation. It's no secret that most automotive engineers aren't "car guys" (or girls), so it's likely many of them/us don't know what makes a Tesla so good!
Gamecat235
> jovimon7
10/24/2014 at 15:26 |
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This is such standard procedure in the automaker world that it should not come as a surprise to anyone.
http://www.wired.com/2014/07/go-ins…
Major auto manufacturers have been doing this for years.
Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
> Tohru
10/24/2014 at 15:30 |
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JDIGGS
> LappingLuke
10/24/2014 at 15:31 |
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In Fords case it will be to make yours as cheap as possible and a worse overall value because you only are trying to copy the technology, not using the minds that built it. Just imagine while Ford is figuring this out what the boys at Telsa are learning.
Ford sucks.
Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> jovimon7
10/24/2014 at 15:32 |
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Mclaren supposedly did the same with an F40 when developing the F1. Quite common practice.
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LappingLuke
> JDIGGS
10/24/2014 at 15:37 |
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Like I said, this is common practice among all manufacturers. Whatever manufacturer you have a religious obsession with is also doing the exact same thing...
Coty
> JDIGGS
10/24/2014 at 15:40 |
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I'm sorry you spelled Chevy wrong. Seriously, I'm afraid to touch anything in their interiors.
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Tohru
> Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
10/24/2014 at 15:49 |
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No, I've earned that comment. I've owned a '59 F250, '60 F100, '89 Bronco, '96 Bronco, '91 Tracer, '97 Escort automatic, and '97 Escort stick. You're with them now. I was with them during their 1990's malaise era. Forged by trial and transmission failure. You have the luxury of being swaddled in modern Ford, while I was out on the front lines changing timing belt tensioners in the Goddamn snow. I will stand behind my comment, and I don't give a damn what you think about it.
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Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
> Tohru
10/24/2014 at 15:53 |
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KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
> jovimon7
10/24/2014 at 16:05 |
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What do you think happened after Martin Winterkorn found the Hyundai i30 had a non-rattling wheel adjuster? I guarantee you VW bought one and tore it to pieces.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/09/volksw…
Yogurt
> jovimon7
10/24/2014 at 16:05 |
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Interesting to see the Saleen logo photoshopped so poorly with all the 90 degree lines of the dyno room available to use as a reference. (Hint: It's not their dyno)
the__man
> Rock Bottom
10/24/2014 at 16:12 |
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you're right on the money with this one.
Racescort666
> jovimon7
10/24/2014 at 16:16 |
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Oh good, it worked when they put it back together. I always have the problem of it not working with my toys...
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jovimon7
> Yogurt
10/24/2014 at 16:20 |
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Saleen is tuning Teslas, they're called The Saleen Foursixteen. Photo credit is Motor Authority saleen-tesla-model-s-prototype_100476725_l
GreenN_Gold
> jovimon7
10/24/2014 at 17:05 |
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Yogurt
> jovimon7
10/24/2014 at 17:05 |
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Yepper, a gearing change, LSD, wheels and tires, brakes are all good but no increase in hp. With the P85D coming soon, and others soon to follow, hopefully it shouldn't be long for a 1,000hp AWD electric car to come out of the aftermarket. (Side note, the first car ever tuned on that dyno was a 959)
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jovimon7
> Rock Bottom
10/24/2014 at 17:12 |
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Under nifty features someone should have thought of sooner, 2015 F150 tailgate.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/ford-adds-a-pl…
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Tohru
> Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
10/24/2014 at 17:47 |
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ranwhenparked
> LappingLuke
10/24/2014 at 18:25 |
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Yes, Bob Lutz had GM teardown a Sonata when benchmarking the Malibu.
Rico
> macanamera
10/24/2014 at 21:48 |
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that definitely needs to be his nickname hah!
atfsgeoff
> jovimon7
10/25/2014 at 02:52 |
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I remember it being a kind of big deal when Ford bought a Ferrari 360 and dismantled it, piece by piece, to aid the engineers in designing the Ford GT.